Ahead of our regular February episode, this week we've got a bonus episode for you of If It's Hurting It's Not Working, our podcast all about work - why we work, how we work and what makes a great job.

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An opportunity opened up for Emily and me to chat with our CEO Paul, who, as we've mentioned previously, has been very supportive of our podcast since it launched last autumn. We talk with Paul about his life and career, from his first job to his more recent ones, and he's given some ideas and tips for anyone considering the route to becoming an executive.

Along the way we revisit some of the themes from our earlier episodes and Paul highlights a time in his career when he discovered that, as our title goes, if it's hurting it's not working. Emily and I also talk about how we each got started in work. We successfully battle a fire alarm test and some other logistical challenges to bring you a fascinating and thought provoking discussion on what it takes to be a leader.

We've turned this episode around quickly because it gets to the heart of two big issues of the moment - leadership and accountability.